DISQUS

Robert McKinnon · 1 year ago

We, as the church, truly need to pray for Mike and his family. Why? How? What in the world could have prompted this man (who was apparently very successful in ministry already) to "fabricate" this kind of story?

We don't and maybe will never know. I appreciate your saying that we are ALL capable of doing such a thing. We stand in our self-righteousness and proclaim that we would NEVER do such a thing, but then some kind of circumstance occurs and we find ourselves doing, saying, thinking and dreaming things we never thought we were even capable of.

There is no telling what this man is going through. There is no telling what has happened to prompt this. NOTHING can make it right. But mercy tries to empathize and has compassion. It hates the sin. It hates the circumstances that built up to the sin. It hates the accuser of the bretheren. But it doesn't hate the sinner.

I pray for Mike, his family, his church and his friends. That they will make it through this tragedy and that Mike will find healing both spiritually and soulish. I pray for the music industry that will take a hit from this.

But just as much I pray for the church (that's all of us) - that they will see this right and not lose ground as they "murder" this fallen soldier. If the church responds righteously, then Mike WILL be healed and RESTORED. The music industry will not take a hit, and we will even be able to still sing this wonderful song. The SONG isn't bad. The MESSAGE of the song shouldn't even be seen as tainted.

That's what I'm talking about.

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Dawn · 1 year ago

How sad is it that this doesnt shock me. It saddens me but doesnt shock me. Im with yall about praying for him and his family. I dont know about yall but it just reminds me that NO ONE is safe from satan. We all try to be, of course, but he preys on us all. I think we sometimes forget that just because we are saved doesnt mean we are safe. Just my opinion.

Denise · 1 year ago

Even though we are all capable of this it disgusts me! I mean, come on, the guy is a pastor even! We just sang this song for the 1st time at church Sunday! I heard the "story" behind it. What a joke! Guess he needed attention or needed to get more people into his church. I dunno. What a dissapointment!

Michelle · 1 year ago

Can't condone some things folks! Sickening. I don't feel sorry for this man!

Mike · 1 year ago

This is astounding. Why? You're right, Fred. We can only pray for Michael and his family, and that those touched by the song don't hear this and give up hope.

I linked to this post on my own blog, so others can share. Sad day.

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Daddy · 1 year ago

Right on, Robert! See James 2: 12,13.

Tyler · 1 year ago

Wow! I have no words.

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Brandon Teer · 1 year ago

I am with you on this Fred, I have promoted this song like crazy and I even showed the testimony video last Sunday to our people! That really upsets me!!! I am praying for him, his family, church and Hillsong. I know God will still use this song to bring Him glory!!!

Rich Kirkpatrick · 1 year ago

I am sad about this, too! Amazing.

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Chris from Canada · 1 year ago

Good thoughts, man. This is tough to hear.

My thoughts - http://www.chrisfromcanada.com/?p=710

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jon mark · 1 year ago

i had to post as well, due to my promotion of the song...but i don't feel that i can allow this to take from the song and the meaning of the song...it was not about him, it was about our Healer...i have to focus on that...

it's in our set for this weekend and it will stay there...it's been powerful in my life, regardless of the man behind it...

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alex mclean · 1 year ago

Fred, what a cool response - the enemy would want us arguing and bickering, yet you are going to worship and pray. Kudos... KU-freaking-DOS!

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jordan · 1 year ago

Sad news but again a reminder to us. Experience is not foundational. God's movement in the present nor its accompanying buzz is either. Only the historical salvific activity of Christ crucified, buried and risen is Gospel in its truest sense. I would pray this would allow the charismatic movement to regain some lost filters (not all but the buzz/bentley chasers) but still retain their freshness they bring to the Body. Not every story is "of God" nor even true. Yet, as a non-charismatic in the classic sense, I would say to you charismatics, don't lose your freshness, just filter it. The body needs all of us.

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Fred · 1 year ago

Jordan,
I've been in mtgs. all day long, so haven't even been able to reply to comments - but I will say this, I think it's extremely short-sighted for you to regulate this to "charismatics". (seems a bit presumptions and judgmental, too).

I dunno, I'm far from the best of moods today - but that caught me wrong, big-time.

For the Kingdom,
Fred McKinnon
www.fredmckinnon.com
www.theworshipcommunity.com

J · 1 year ago

Mike didnt do this to promote his church, he did it to cover up a drug addiction.
I know how you guys feel as i have been to several of his seminars.
He seems like such a man of God!

Pastuh · 1 year ago

Wow...it really is shocking to hear this news. I pray that we as the body of Christ would pray for him, and now step up and be what the body of Christ is supposed to be: Christians who are there for people even in there biggest mess ups....

Joel · 1 year ago

My God reached down and grabbed my hand, when I was in my deepest darkest sin. I didnt earn forgiveness, nor deserve it. Why do we focus on the wrong things this man has done? I praise God for the season of power and salvation that was caused by Gods Word through Mike. Thankyou God for Mike Guglielmucci.

abi · 1 year ago

As as an Australian I know that this man was one of the leading youth speakers in the country ,not just at Hillsong but at Planetshakers, Youth Alive and the AOG church .Hundreds of thousands of kids had heard him and looked up to him.

It's them I am praying for. That they won't have been put off believing or following Jesus by this sham and disgrace.

He needs to take responsibility for his actions.

Alastair · 1 year ago

Boy oh boy...

I think many of us will agree it's still a good song, and maybe it was not so true for Mike, but the song can still be true to us. God is our healer. Nothing is Impossible for Him. These are great lyrics everyone.

How many of you plan to pull the song from your setlists? Temporarily or permanently?

There was one comment above claiming Mike was covering up a drug addiction... is that fact or fiction?

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Jeremy Killian · 1 year ago

I'm not sure what I'll do with the song. I know that it contains truth, regardless of its inception. Fortunately, most of the worshippers I associate with wouldn't know anything about this scandal, so it might provoke me to use it after all. Still a really sad and ridiculous situation.

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jordan · 1 year ago

Fred, I wasn't relating this back to all charismatics. My whole in-law family comes from a charismatic background and many of them have a great filter. I came out of a childhood charismatic church. It might be presumptive but in our church with tons of charismatics and tons not, it seems to my humble observation like I sometimes can't get the non-charismatics to believe much in regards that God does anything actively today, the contra- of our NorthWood charismatics to whom I often want to say, "Make sure you check that out..." when I hear a wilder (in my own mind) story of God's activity. The assessment is not meant to be pejorative and is only a reflection of how people tend to react in our half-n-half congregation, which I wouldn't trade for anything. There are several charismatics who tend to look back at God's historic activity more than His present and non-charismatics who do the opposite. I am not trying to put anyone in a box. I think it is okay at times to recognize patterns and trends I see within our particular body.

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Rob Petrini · 1 year ago

I'm an Australian Southern Baptist Youth & Worship Minister working in a church in Virginia, taught in Bible School by the likes of Mike Frost, Alan Hirsch & John Smulo... I'm basically all over the place... I hear you Jordan... but I've heard too many times back home in Australia many people criticising AOG's and charismatics... and yet they do a wonderful job reaching kids and pouring their hearts into worship... whether it's Hillsong or Planetshakers or Parachute... let's not box people, regardless of what the trends may say.

Will I pull the song from our setlist? I honestly will find it hard to separate the controversy from the song... but I need to get over it... David was a murderer and an adultery... that doesn't make the Psalms any less God inspired.

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Billy Chia · 1 year ago

Fred,
I was in prayer yesterday as well.

I'll echo Alex, "ku-freakin-dos"

I wasn't too upset by the news - I mean the blow to the Church hurts, but God is bigger. He's big enough to take it. He's been showing me this recently in a huge way.

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brewster · 1 year ago

Thank God he has grace. It is in these times we get the chance to show the world how great the church can be, if we respond accordingly. I appreciate your response to this issue. God has anointed this song, and regardless of man, is still a Healer.

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James · 1 year ago

My church has requested us not to play the song for now. It is sad, I loved the song before i heard the story of his (fake) illness. I would hope that this "beauty from ashes" will continue to be played as it is a blessing to all who sing it. My encouragement is for us to do what we are called to do..... don't judge, trust God, pray for forgiveness and forgive those who have wronged us.
Regardless of this song coming from a man who lied about his inspiration we are called by God to focus our eyes on him and to further his kingdom. This presents an opportunity for all of us to grow spiritually and maybe instead of focusing on the unfortunate circumstances surrounding this we should focus on prayer and support for all of those affected, personal friends of mike as well as those who never knew him but were touched.

Ed Schief · 1 year ago

Wow, I see a lot of panic in churches and individuals - a mad rush to succeed, to sort of shoulder God aside and say, "Move over - you're clearly not getting the job done." Mr. Guglielmucci seems to have succumbed to this.

I guess my question is: Why is such signifigance attached to a song? Had not so many churches run after this one in particular, it wouldn't have been an issue. I've done it a thousand times too, but no more, you know? No more looking for 'The Next Big Thing'.

Fred · 1 year ago

james - we are in the process of praying through whether or not we'll be using this song as well.

Ed - good words ... it's hard not to go after something when there seems to be such favor on it. It's human nature - we're wired that way.

jordan · 1 year ago

When reading some of the comments, I started wondering what if some of this is tied to the (not always bad) subjectivity of our worship songs. A lot of this songs power/favor/anointing (or whatever word you want to use) was tied to the story behind it. I wonder if some of the more objective hymnody of the past would have taken such a hit? Would O Sacred Head Now Wounded, A Mighty Fortress, Fairest Lord Jesus and others taken the beating this song is taking if their composer's had such a public failure? Thoughts anyone.

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Ed Schief · 1 year ago

Ooh, Jordan - I never thought of that. Of course, a hundred years ago the stories didn't spread over the internet in .04 seconds.

El Ben · 1 year ago

Fred, you know my story better than most here. I hear this story and can't help but hear echoes of my own. That in mind, let's re-emphasize that this guy CONFESSED. He owned up to his junk. He took responsibility and is even now (at last report) submitting himself to police investigation (and prosecution) for fraud.

There is so much grace for this situation and personally, knowing the outrageous favor God has poured out on me lately...well, let's just say that I know that I trust that God will bless Mike's socks off in direct proportion to his repentence and transparency.

There's no doubt in my mind that he can be restored to ministry. Will he ever regain the trust of those he betrayed? Maybe not, but that is between him, them, and God, as it should be.

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Cheli · 1 year ago

I stand with you Fred. It's easy to judge but hard to forgive and restore. I stand with you in prayers for this man who has inspired so many young lives worldwide... God is God and that NEVER changes!!

Fred · 1 year ago

Ben,
Thanks for jumping in ... and point well taken! Where have you been? Does B-A-M own your soul? I know Fox will soon! (well, not your soul)

rhys · 1 year ago

We should be asking questions like: Why is some one who is so very screwed up a pastor? Was that position his true calling or a role that was ready for him to step into as a prominent pastors son? It is not uncommon in the pentecostal church circles for uncontested promotion of family members in churches. Obviously an unhealthy practice.

Where is the wisdom, discernment and accountability?

I have friends that council big leaders of big churches, who cannot go to their own for help as they would be expelled, seems like the church needs to have a good look at their protocols.

Why was the cancer lie swallowed when family and some people close to him were aware of a problem with hypochondria?

Following is an extract published recently: - In an exclusive interview with Adelaide’s Sunday Mail this week, Mr Guglielmucci also revealed:

HIS son has been suffering “mystery illnesses” since the age of 12.

DOCTORS gave his parents the option of admitting him to a psychiatric ward for assessment as a child over the ongoing “illnesses”, but they refused.

THE family’s “absolute shock” at discovering Michael was not terminally ill.-

Surely there would have been questions of the legitamacy of the cancer claim based on a history including: Multiple myelomas (sic) or kidney failure or 33 broken bones or leukemia or stomach cancer.

I find it amazing (unbelievable) that close family including his wife never attended a doctors appointment. When someone you love is critically ill, it is commonplace to ask questions of the doctors involved to get answers and to support the ill person, at least in my experience it is.

I sincerely hope we are now getting the truth and not further deception, there has been more than enough damage done already.

Ed Schief · 1 year ago

I haven't followed this all terribly closely, but what I want to know now is this: has this guy taken responsibility not only for his actions, but for the repercussions? Yeah, we've all fallen, and yeah, forgiveness and restoration are the goal - but if he won't take responsibility for his actions, or tries to dodge the consequences, restoration is a long, long way off.

Ed Schief · 1 year ago

I haven't followed this all terribly closely, but what I want to know now is this: has this guy taken responsibility not only for his actions, but for the repercussions? Yeah, we've all fallen, and yeah, forgiveness and restoration are the goal - but if he won't take responsibility for his actions, or tries to dodge the consequences, restoration is a long, long way off.

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Philip · 1 year ago

Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
Philippians 1: 15-18

Paul · 1 year ago

People, wake up and admit that Pastor Michael is nothing but a scum-bag, who callously exploited the most vulnerable for his own psychological kicks and to line his pockets. He is not worthy of your pity or prayers. Ask yourself - has he said sorry to the thousands he gave false hope to? Just how low can a so-called ‘man of God’ stoop? Don’t be another apologist, wimping-out by saying “it’s what he’s said that counts” etc. That’s a cop-out and exactly the sort of approval (via redemption) he and his multi-million dollar Church now seeks, to admonish his perverted acts. Throw him, and those that harbour him, to the wolves. There’s more vitriol on my web site directed towards this evil-doer [click name above]

Aaron Gale · 1 year ago

Mike did not do it to promote his church, or because of drugs. He did it because he has been an adult pron addict for 16 years and no one knew. I saw him at hillsong this year. I never thought he had cancer because he lived to long, when I heard this I said to God "please don't let me do that when I get into australias top theatre." So we should pray for him so that God helps him, come out of that addiction. It says in the bible our (deepest most darkest) sins will find us out. It also says the Truth will set us free. So pastor Mike is on the road to freedom!!

Madison · 1 year ago

You're right, we do need to pray for them. We talked about this kind of stuff in church last night. About how we should pray for them and not talk bad about them or gossip. Thank you for posting this.

vhikai · 1 year ago

the guy needs deliverance. i know a few individuals in planetshakers, one guy has been addicted to porn for 15yrs!!! so the Mike case is a tip of the ice berg.hundreds of young people in these mega chrches needs deliverance.that wont go away by jumping up and down each week.unless GOD unilaterally decides to muv and deliver someone the rest is wishful thinking.people must pray.the big question is where were the prophets in all this????since we hear prophecies week in and week out???this issue needs to be examined left right and sender and come up with greater connection with GOD. being an addict of porn is a sugar coated way to describe that situation. the guy is bound,held captive by it. he needs deliverance,period,finitio,benediction!!!!

MAN · 1 year ago

“LEADER?” “LEADERSHIP”?????!!!
IS THAT IN THE BIBLE????

Just wondering,
the word “LEADER” how many times was it mentioned in the NEW (Jesus) TESTAMENT,
1-The KJV/NKJV/ASV/NIV I found NONE,
BUT in other translations I found a mention to the word leader couple of times and here it is:
-Mt 23:10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
- Lu 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the SERVANT.
Well now we understand that Jesus did not come to recruit leaders….leadership maniacs, you wanna be a leader because off course you are TALENTED, FIND somewhere else to show off but not in the house of PRAYER.

BY the way, I here you asking, the word “SERVANT”, how many times was mentioned in “GRACE (NEW) TESTAMENT..you wouldn’t believe it!! Mr. “me me me I wanna be a leader in the church because I am talented”…..WHAT?!!
1- in KJV is 79 times
2- in NKJV is 80 times.
3- The American Standard Version 82times.
4- in NIV is 97 times
5- The Good News Translation 106 times!!!!!!
WATDDAA!!!! 2:106

Was that an accident?! well Jesus did not come to recruit “talented/awesome/handsome/gifted..etc LEADERS”
HE (Jesus)discipled his followers to SERVE SERVE SERVE
IN HUMILITY depending completely on their ONLY LEADER, JESUS THE SERVANT KING…..

STOP LEADING THIS LIFE STYLE BY SERVING AND ONLY SERVING…

A LEADER has followers, and when he falls……!

It would have been much better, if they followed the only MASTER AND a LEADER….the one that said “”"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”"John 8:46

here is THE true leader that was not believed…
and here is a fraud that every one believed…..Irrrronic…!!

I think what happened recently confirms the credibility of THE ONLY LEADER…
when he said Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.”

IT IS A SIGN FOR HIS SECOND COMING!! here is a positive for what happened…
also the only teacher “LEADER” said:
IN Matthew 24:19 “How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! ”

Is that literally??? or may be he meant the vulnerable like the youth and that are not taught proper biblical teaching from Church Servants…

PLEASE READ MATTHEW 24. it is good..
Read it just read it… MATTHEW 24
A Saved sinner!

Terri Cox · 1 year ago

I have been going over this whole entire situation in my head over and over again...and I have come to one conclusion.... we as christians are to hate sin, but not the sinner. Therefore the Bible says to confess your sin so that you may be healed....and to bear one another's burdens to so fulfill the law of Christ. Now if we believe the Bible in it's entirety...not just the points that fit our lives at the moment...then we all must agree on this....the Bible is the true, inspired, INFALLIBLE word of God....then we all know that Jesus paid for our healing..and that He is the Healer of not just our physical bodies, but our minds, and emotions....and we all know that is says with God NOTHING is impossible....so even though the song was written under the extreme circumstances of hiding sin...we cannot just throw the song away....because the Bible backs up what the song is saying. So we MUST as brothers and sisters in the Lord pray for Mike, his wife and kids, their church, His parents, Hillsong, Planetshakers and all those that it has affected....I mean the Bible says that in the last days that the enemy will go around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour...and he will try to deceive the very elect...if possible. I have to believe that God moved on Mike's heart to make him come forward and confess what had been going on in his life....no one can come to the Father except he be drawn by the spirit....It had to be difficult to bring all of this into the light....knowing that it would bring a severe blow to the body of Christ....so I just want to say thank you to Mike for coming forward and confessing what he was doing....that took GUTS! My prayer is for FULL restoration not only to his family, to those churches and ministries involved...but t Mike as well. This song has blessed my heart as I go through the day to day events of my own physical sickness, when we sang it in church this past Sunday morning...my heart was overwhelmed with the words NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU..You hold my world in your hands! I know that even though people are pulling this song from their worship lists, that God will be glorified through this song in many ways! BECAUSE....God can take what the devil meant for evil....and turn it into good!!!

I still believe God is my healer,
because NOTHING is impossible for HIM....
Terri Cox <

"Except for the grace of God.....there go I!!!"

MAN · 1 year ago

All churches have flaws..not just the Pentecostal.. as well as Me & U. BUT beloved, I think U R missing the point here…

- Unfortunately people in Authority or(influence) can not avoid the SEVERE consequences of their action…(lucky I am not a leader)
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They need to be 4given but as in the story of David…
- THE SWORD never departed from his house, (Amnon, Abshalum)
- Porno (Lust) (Adultery) never left his house(Thamar, Abshalum )

“This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.”

Isn’t that very harsh from the God of all mercies..?!

BUT LISTEN TO THIS

“12:13
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. you r not going to die”

12:14
But because by doing this you have MADE THE ENEMIES OF THE LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die.”

I think if I were god at that time, I would’ve really forgave him…

- Israel was divided severely as a consequence of his action….(not simple)
and much much more….
Very sad isn’t it??? BUT it is the truth….

We R called to 4give the Porn Addict, as well as the deceivers, and ourselves as we can also be deceived by deceivers that the bible has warned about…..

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SAMSON for example…you know what happened to Samson, when he disgraced his God’s Name…..he was severely humiliated….and the amount of humility that he brought to God’s name….

DU KNOW what the enemies said…”Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands.”…….SHAME ON SHAMSON….

WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT IT SAYS THE TRUTH ALL TRUTH..DOES NOT HIDE
But if we are a lie we will hide it….
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thats what happened to real prophets of God, and if they are not from the first place, why would be any consequences….
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Jesus Asked us 2 4give everyone…But …in
John 2:12-22
14. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. (DID JESUS 4GAVE THEM?? I BET HE DID) 15. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Where is the forgiveness of Jesus..the life giver and the sin forgiver????

16. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! HOW DARE YOU turn my Father’s house into a market…..

also Jesus said “WATCH OUT for FALSE prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but INWARDLY they are FEROCIOUS WOLVES.”

Even though he taught to forgive, but that did not stop him from telling us to watch out from the wolves….GRACE doesn’t null the truth…Never
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The problem is we preach an incomplete “false” gospel, teaches forgiveness priceless…which is not true, our forgiveness is way too expensive to be taken 4granted….

Darrel · 1 year ago

As a pastor I can testify that Satan seeks to destroy the precious life. Some can never imagine the pressures leaders are under and that pressure increases as the degree of your ministry increases. I pray for Mike and hope that he can make a full recovery.